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Hosted by Chief Purpose Activist, Carolyn Butler-Madden, The For Love & Money Podcast is a show where business and social purpose meet to inspire a movement for positive change – business as a force for good; brands driving profit through purpose. The two essential ingredients we explore through our podcast interviews? Firstly, Love. Love of our home planet; of humanity; people; culture. Love of what you do and why you do it. The love that employees, customers and clients have of a business built on love. Secondly, Money. Yes, profit. We explore how purpose drives profit. Also how being profitable allows purposeful businesses to scale their impact. The objective of the show is all about inspiration. We want to help our listeners to answer the question so many of them have in their minds: How do I build a purpose-led business in a way that is meaningful, profitable and inspires me and everyone in the organisation to use our business as a force for good?
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Sunday May 18, 2025
Sunday May 18, 2025
Episode Summary:
In this episode of the For Love and Money podcast, In this episode, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with Patricia Occelli, Director of Community and Customer Experience at Woollahra Council. Patricia shares the story of how doing the work to create a unifying purpose transformed the Council’s vision, culture, and strategic direction. What began as a challenge to create a meaningful customer experience strategy evolved into a whole-of-organisation transformation—fuelled by purpose and a deep commitment to community. Patricia reflects on the pivotal moments, the leadership challenges, and the lasting cultural shifts that followed. This is Part 1 of a two-part series on Woollahra Council’s purpose-led transformation. Part 2 features General Manager, Craig Swift McNair, sharing his perspective on the transformation process.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode
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How a unifying purpose can drive whole-of-organisation transformation
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Why purpose is essential in local government and public service
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How to bridge silos and shift culture with a shared North Star
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The difference between customer service and customer experience
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What it takes to embed values that guide everyday behaviour
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How the council has seen results in both internal culture and community engagement
Key Themes Discussed
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The transformational impact of a unifying purpose
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Bridging organisational silos with a shared North Star
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Driving cultural change in complex public environments
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The role of language, values, and tone of voice in public service
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Why brand archetypes matter for councils and community connection
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How purpose-aligned strategy drives both internal and external outcomes
Stay tuned for Part 2, Episode 82, where Carolyn speaks with Craig Swift-McNair, Woollahra Council’s General Manager, to further explore the leadership behind this transformation.
Guest Bio
Patricia Occelli is the Director of Community and Customer Experience at Woollahra Council, leading customer experience, communications, community engagement, cultural and arts initiatives, and Woollahra Libraries. With over 35 years of leadership in the human services sector, Patricia has driven transformation across local and state government and the for-purpose sector. She is passionate about social justice and delivering high-quality services that make a real difference in people’s lives. Her expertise spans service integration, cultural reform, customer-centric design, and staff engagement. She has successfully led ICT transformations, governance frameworks, and operational efficiencies—all while fostering empowered employees and engaged communities. A strategic leader, Patricia is committed to shaping innovative, sustainable, and impactful services.
Links and Resources
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Woollahra Council Vision, Mission & Values: Woollahra Council Website
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Connect with Patricia Occelli on Linkedin
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Carolyn Butler-Madden: LinkedIn | The Cause Effect
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Learn more about the For Love & Money Podcast
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